Science vs. Faith – a few examples


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Science VS Faith – A few examples

When a surgeon removes a tumor from a patient, and saves the person’s life, did he look at the situation scientifically, research prior surgeries, run tests based on real world results, and compare them logically with other similar cases in an attempt to systematically narrow down if the patient has cancer, where the cancer was located, and what the most appropriate treatment might be?…

…or did he pray really, really hard and God told him where to cut?

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When a rapist decides to stalk and attack a woman, did he do a statistical analysis of the success rate of rape attempts? Did he research the long term psychological effects that the act of rape has on the rapist himself, or look into the effects on the victim? Did he sit down with a spreadsheet and graph out the chances of being caught, versus the potential jail sentence, and factor in any other possibilities?…

…or did he just take it on faith that he should follow his emotions?

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When the astronauts landed on the moon, did they run tests first, calculating odds, running simulations and analyzing results?…

… or did God lift them up there?

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When a 16 year old girl gets pregnant, is it because she made the mistake of sitting down to logically consider all the potential consequences, examining charts on the statistical likelihood of becoming pregnant, and analyzing the common emotional and physical consequences of an unexpected pregnancy?…

… or did she just have faith that it would all be okay?

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When researchers find cures for diseases, is it because they had a logical system to run tests and analyze results to meticulously narrow down the possible causes of the disease and how it responded to treatments?…

… or did they have a spiritual vision, which told them exactly which chemicals to mix together to produce a cure?

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When a father decides to put down his child’s college fund on a hand of Black Jack, is he doing it because he did research about the statistical likelihood of winning or losing, comparing logically his chances of winning and the joy that would entail with the possibility of defeat and the consequences of that, factoring in any consequences that may occur to his family?…

… or did he just have faith that he wouldn’t lose this time.

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This is not intended to imply that faith has no value. In the example of the surgeon, yes, the research and the tests, and all the science is done first, but once all that is done, and there’s no more tests that can possibly be performed and the doctor has learned all the facts he could reasonably know, and analyzed the results as much as possible, and now it’s time for him to actually pull out the scalpel, and start cutting, then it’s time for faith. A surgeon can’t be thinking about the statistical likelihood of slipping up and harming his patient, or worrying about what will happen if things go wrong, as he is certainly well aware of what could happen. It’s time for the surgeon to calm his nerves and have faith that the forces of the universe will steady his hand and that he won’t forget anything, and that it will all work out.

So there is a huge value in faith. However, if you want to be successful in life,  faith should be utilized only after all other avenues of logical analysis have been exhausted. This might sound like it would take much of the joy and wonder out of life, but when you know that you have analyzed things to the furthest possible degree, you greatly increase your chances of success in whatever you are trying to accomplish, and you feel sure of yourself, confident that reality is not going to come up and collapse around you when you find out you misjudged something. This self-confidence transfers into the deeper realms as well, allowing spiritual freedom, expression, and individuality that isn’t possible under a faith-based life perspective.

12 thoughts on “Science vs. Faith – a few examples”

  1. Our Creator has given us the “intellectual capacity” to investigate the world around us and to find satisfying answers to our questions. (1 John 5:20) In this regard, physicist and Nobel laureate William D. Phillips wrote: “When I examine the orderliness, understandability, and beauty of the universe, I am led to the conclusion that a higher intelligence designed what I see. My scientific appreciation of the coherence, and the delightful simplicity of physics strengthens my belief in God.”

    1. Hello :)
      Well, this page isn’t really trying to disprove the existence of God. That’s something that many other Atheists and scientists can do much better than myself. I prefer to focus on the effects and emotions of belief and non-belief rather than running in circles around something that can’t be proven one way or the other.
      Now, if the physicist you quoted is correct, that still does not disprove anything on this page. The effects of blind faith are still there and my points are still valid. Just because someone believes in a creator, doesn’t mean that creator accepts our prayers or cares about our personal lives, and putting blind faith in God is just as dangerous as it would be if He never existed.
      My other point is that you’re quoting a physicist. If you can use a scientist to try to prove the existence of God, then atheists should be able to quote them to disprove it, and there are a whole lot more scientists out there who do not believe in God than those who do. I think it’s unfair to quote a physicist like that, letting people believe that he represents the consensus of the scientific community when you know he does not.

      1. I totally get what you’re saying and yes, your points are valid. I guess my intent in quoting was that not all people who believe in God are idiot fools. It has been my observation that if you believe in “intelligent design” in the scientific community, you are discredited and often-times (not always) considered a moron. Ben Stein’s Expelled documentary was interesting. As you stated, there is no question that the majority of the scientific community does not believe in God. I guess I find it hard to comprehend that some people would rather put more “faith” in mathematical impossibilities than a simple explanation of the nature of our existence. Granted you’ve had some pretty severe experiences from an emotional standpoint and I should comment on those in a different area of your site. I enjoy reading your blog and look forward to further interaction.

  2. I agree with you at some points, but I have to mention that in all these situations they used faith before acting. Let me explain what I see..

    Faith is nothing more than believe in what you can’t see and get certainly of what you expect. So the surgeon, before the surgery, he believe that he can remove the patient’s tumor, but he didn’t that yet … He need to believe that he can do that, because of his knowledge, research and all things. If the surgeon can’t believe in himself, so he don’t have faith to do that, and without this faith, this conviction in himself, there are more chances of an medical error … because he is afraid of the situation.

    Even the rapist used faith to rope someone, but a ‘contrary’ or negative faith. He believe that can rope a woman and make what he want. Like you said, he don’t stop to think about the consequences, he just do that for your own reasons or emotions. So in this case, emotions and his reasons came first to his mind, and he start believing that he can do that to fill your emotions and pleasures with this particular woman, but he didn’t get there yet, but is convinced that he can do that before the act. This is a negative faith.

    I’m not saying that research, logical, treatment, medics, engineering is all bad things, but all of us use faith in what we believe that we can do, because we need to believe first to act. I will not jump from an airplane if I can’t believe that the parachute will not open…anyone will do that. I will not study to become a surgeon if I can’t believe that I can do reach that. I would not write this large comment if I can’t believe that you will approve this…

    We use faith everyday without even realizing it.

    1. I must say, I didn’t understand a lot of what you were saying. I did agree that we all use faith every day without knowing it. It’s pretty much necessary to go through life. I disagree, however, that you must believe first to act. Yes, it may help, but it’s not necessary. Some people jump out of airplanes when they’re only %90 sure their chute is going to open. Many people enjoy the thrill of not knowing in many situations.
      Anyway, this article was directed toward the attitude of “just have faith and everything will be okay”, not the faith that is the result of genuine research and real-world evidence.

      1. We need faith or society will become deprave,
        Corrupted, man will end up nuking each other.
        Without faith world will become more selfish, leads
        To blood cleansing time like nazi germany.

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